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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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we're live every wednesday on the dark

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and we're coming at you live like we do

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every wednesday night at 9 00 pm

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eastern standard time on the dark matter

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we have a great show for you tonight and

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our guest is the chief mufon

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video photo analyst his name is mark

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d'antonio he was on

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now you may be saying to yourself gee i

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this evening well i have to tell you i

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show time and uh you know it really

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takes a big man to admit

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he's screwed up so i'm just gonna have

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and he's traveled back in time it all

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has to do with dark matter and we're

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going to be talking about that

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with andy fleming and a clip coming up

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later you know i'm wondering why

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recently a listener wrote me and he says

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you know he doesn't get my weird sense

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of humor

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um but he also said this was his

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favorite show i think they call that

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a backhanded compliment or something

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like that whatever it is

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i'll take it so in the news recently

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billionaire entrepreneur and space x

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ceo elon musk let the curtain to the

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future drop on thursday on may 29th

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to reveal his company's new manned

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and this is going to be an astronaut

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space space station and back so um

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there are a lot of interesting

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all of the pictures of the crafts and

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hi martin and listeners now it's an

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i'm doing great how are you great thanks

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coming on tonight oh not at all like uh

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like andy was just saying you know that

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it's rather boring now

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it's you know it's little stuff so not a

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big deal to come back and do your show

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this is just way too much from my head

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this is a problem my dog has

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five heads and that's just the beginning

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i shouldn't have stepped on it butterfly

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to do it

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well not no i'm kidding of course it was

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something

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i've actually been a member of mufon

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since 1971.

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wow yeah i was 11 when i joined mufon

292
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i'm not kidding i'm not kidding i am not

293
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that's actually true i mean

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and um everything i say is true with

295
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just a little jest thrown in here and

296
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there but it's nothing to do with time

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travel again though

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no no i knew i was gonna regret saying

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that

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but um no i i was eleven i had just uh

301
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i'd been out of the hospital after

302
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having a surgical procedure done and my

303
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parents brain surgery

304
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actually that was 18 years ago but

305
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no not at all i i if you can't laugh at

306
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yourself you can't laugh

307
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you know right so no but it was um

308
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uh you know interesting because i had

309
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always been interested in ufos and i

310
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would go outside look up

311
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see the gorgeous night sky and the first

312
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thing i want to do is take a picture of

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it

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and of course back then when i was 11

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okay

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it was uh you know kind of tough to get

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a film that could actually

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do the job number one number two it was

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tough to get a camera

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uh you know in general as an 11 year old

321
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who's going to go out and have the money

322
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to get a wonderful camera so i didn't

323
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get any of those things but what i

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did get was a telescope and the

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telescope was

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given to me by a dear friend of the

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family and i have to tell you that and

328
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one other

329
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interaction i had with someone at nasa

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got me fully into astronomy so i would

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look

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outside with the telescope all the time

333
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and then that sparked my imagination to

334
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create a space station plan and send it

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to nasa

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and i did just that on notebook paper

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with the lines and where i tore it out

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of the little

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you know notebook binder

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and i sent it to nasa and it was looked

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at by a man named

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um bert lee now

343
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most people know him as gentry lee

344
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gentry lee is the

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runs the directorate for uh the outer

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solar system

347
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robotic missions and he was a young

348
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scientist at the time of nasa he looked

349
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at my space station plan

350
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and instead of just dismissing it and

351
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laughing at it with his colleagues or

352
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whatever

353
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he actually returned it to me with all

354
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kinds of wonderful handwritten

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suggestions on each and every page

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and then he put it in what i called my

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space box a gigantic

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box to me anyway all right a gigantic

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box to this 11 year old kid

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that was full of cloth mission patches

361
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for all of the

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you know human space flight and books

363
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and brochures i mean he filled that

364
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thing to the brim

365
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and i have to say it was very very you

366
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know incredible for me and

367
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literally about a year and a half ago

368
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after

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not communicating with him since that

370
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point i wrote him an email

371
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and he responded and said i don't

372
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remember the incident but boy this is

373
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great let's keep talking

374
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so it was really cool to actually

375
00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:11,040
reconnect with gentry lee

376
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one of one of the people that i idolized

377
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in our human spaceflight endeavors

378
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wow that that is just amazing that

379
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really

380
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and then you you are actually now i'm

381
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sorry it's been

382
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you know several months you're you're

383
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actually an astronomer

384
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yeah that's what i got my degree in i

385
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went to i went to school for that i

386
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i spent many many a year in freezing

387
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cold observatories where the telescopes

388
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are so big

389
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that the entire floor moves up and down

390
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to meet the telescope

391
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you know as it's moving around the sky

392
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and that was when we had the work right

393
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at the eyepiece i was taking photos on

394
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glass plates

395
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because film wouldn't do the reason is

396
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it was part of a study called

397
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parallax study which which uh

398
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:58,800
what what parallax is of course is is

399
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the

400
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,920
finger out at arm's length and you

401
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:05,600
hold up your index finger and you you

402
00:14:09,269 --> 00:14:07,519
blink left and right with your eye

403
00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:09,279
you're seeing the parallax effect you

404
00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:11,120
can actually see that the background

405
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remains

406
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relatively in the same position but the

407
00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:15,279
finger is shifting dramatically back and

408
00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:16,639
forth in the foreground

409
00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:18,320
well in the same way when we look at

410
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,399
foreground stars that are not too far

411
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away from us

412
00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:24,240
we would see at each end of earth's

413
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,360
orbit

414
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:27,680
not the left and right eye but the both

415
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:29,040
ends of the earth's orbit we would

416
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actually see that star

417
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,240
shifting against the background stars

418
00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:34,079
and this gives us its distance to an

419
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extremely precise degree

420
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:39,519
within a certain distance you know

421
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:40,160
beyond

422
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,360
parallax we have to use other

423
00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:45,440
you know techniques so there's it goes

424
00:14:48,949 --> 00:14:47,120
on and on but that was the program that

425
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:48,959
i was involved in for a number of years

426
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:52,240
and the glass plates would record

427
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a very precise image and then those

428
00:14:59,670 --> 00:14:57,440
plates would be used with a machine from

429
00:15:02,150 --> 00:14:59,680
yale university which would actually

430
00:15:02,710 --> 00:15:02,160
scan the density of the star image on

431
00:15:05,110 --> 00:15:02,720
this

432
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:05,120
film emulsion can you imagine that film

433
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:06,560
who's heard of film

434
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:07,680
there's a lot of people out there that

435
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:09,440
have never owned a film camera now you

436
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know

437
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:17,440
go through that process

438
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um and then you know using similar

439
00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:21,440
research telescopes

440
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,720
uh i did my thesis which was on finding

441
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:26,720
uh stars that are speeding out of the

442
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:28,160
galaxy at high speed through

443
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:30,079
gravitational interactions

444
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:31,839
and i found a few which is great yeehaw

445
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:34,320
wow my claim the fame and i found some

446
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:40,790
now getting back to our topic this

447
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:41,680
evening

448
00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:45,360
sure i would like to talk to you about

449
00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:47,600
you know some of the i i guess some of

450
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:49,279
the more interesting

451
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:52,880
ufo videos and and uh and pictures that

452
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:53,839
you have

453
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:56,880
researched and i guess what i'd like to

454
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:57,199
know

455
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:00,399
is what is uh what stands out

456
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,680
to you as some of the most interesting

457
00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:05,759
ones that you've dealt with

458
00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:07,920
well one of one of the things about ufo

459
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:09,839
photos is first of all we have to find

460
00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:10,639
out

461
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,920
uh what it's not so when i see a ufo

462
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:15,839
photo or a video the first thing i do is

463
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:18,639
i look at each and every one

464
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,160
from the same set of processes okay

465
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:24,480
that are running through my head first i

466
00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,360
try to

467
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,920
explain it away now at first that sounds

468
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:29,680
like i'm being a debunker

469
00:16:33,189 --> 00:16:31,839
actually it's far from it i'm trying to

470
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,199
eliminate

471
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:36,959
because someone else

472
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:38,880
who might be doing independent research

473
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:41,040
might find something in the image that i

474
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:41,519
missed

475
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:43,759
so i can't afford to really miss

476
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,519
anything i have to really take the time

477
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:47,199
to do the diligence to actually look

478
00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:48,720
through these images and say

479
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:51,120
okay if i'm thinking that this is

480
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,560
something that's in the foreground in

481
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:54,079
this image

482
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:56,079
i need something to back that up not

483
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:57,279
just an opinion

484
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:59,839
but some science and that's that's the

485
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,639
thing that i

486
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:03,120
tend to do is i tend to use science to

487
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:04,640
help us explain

488
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,160
what we're seeing in an image because

489
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:08,480
sometimes you capture an ordinary object

490
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,199
in a most

491
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:12,240
extraordinary way and that's the thing

492
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:15,039
that can throw people off and there's a

493
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,760
lot of

494
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:17,360
you're fighting psychology because

495
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:18,880
there's some psychology

496
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:22,079
of how we observe the world that cameras

497
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,280
don't know

498
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,720
and so when we take it when we take a

499
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:26,559
picture of

500
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,520
say birds flying through a frame we

501
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,799
ignore them while we're taking the

502
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:32,880
picture because they're just birds

503
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,400
right okay but the camera of course

504
00:17:39,510 --> 00:17:38,880
captures these really interesting dark

505
00:17:42,150 --> 00:17:39,520
dashes

506
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,160
flying along the horizon what's that you

507
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,760
know you don't know what that is and

508
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:45,360
that's the thing that we're trying to

509
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,600
you know we have to explain again using

510
00:17:51,350 --> 00:17:49,520
science so we have to talk about

511
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,360
how are birds shaped when they're caught

512
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:53,039
in an exposure sometimes you don't see

513
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,720
them crisp and clear they're blurry

514
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,960
but the blur gives you lots of data

515
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,160
there's interesting things you can

516
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,240
deduce from that blur

517
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,520
and there are shapes in for instance of

518
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:04,960
a bird that

519
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:09,360
looks just like um you know a ufo

520
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,840
of some kind except if you then look at

521
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:14,320
the

522
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:17,840
if

523
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:22,000
object the object has on the image

524
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,720
or in the video you can many times see

525
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,960
clues that will help you decide

526
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,480
what you're looking at and i know i

527
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,840
haven't talked about interesting ufos

528
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:31,200
yet but i'm getting there

529
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:34,160
okay um well we're getting some

530
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:36,080
questions popping in on our

531
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,760
our message board and i want to

532
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:40,080
apologize for our live listeners i hate

533
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,720
to say but

534
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:43,840
um there seems to be some type of studio

535
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:46,640
audio problem um the audio is going in

536
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:47,120
and out

537
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:49,600
um i can tell you right now keith roland

538
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,640
are

539
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,480
the producer of the show is working on

540
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,080
that and um

541
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:57,520
and they're actually asking um

542
00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:00,000
i would try to actually message you mark

543
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:01,360
but they're asking if your mic can be

544
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,480
turned down a little bit

545
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,240
it can't really be turned down but maybe

546
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:06,320
you can pull it away just a little bit

547
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:09,679
um and the question that

548
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:12,320
came up um let's see they're coming in

549
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,840
pretty fast here

550
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,600
are you familiar with any advanced

551
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,760
photography videography methods

552
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,160
such as studying infrared or near

553
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:21,840
ultraviolet

554
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:24,720
uh yeah as a matter of fact um one of

555
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:25,520
the things

556
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,799
uh that we're doing right now is we do a

557
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:30,080
lot of work with drones

558
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,440
but people call them drones and of

559
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:32,640
course when you call them drones

560
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,679
immediately you think

561
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,760
you know hellfire missiles and killing

562
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,360
killing killing not at all

563
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,880
these are search and rescue systems

564
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,280
these are actually

565
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,240
these are systems for use uh in scanning

566
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,200
remote areas

567
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:47,039
so one of the things that we're

568
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:48,240
developing is

569
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,480
an infrared system as a matter of fact

570
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:52,480
that will allow us to

571
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:54,880
do remote scans from a long long way

572
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,600
away

573
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,760
and when i say long long way i don't

574
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,280
mean a continent away i mean

575
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,760
you know 10 miles away you know because

576
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,280
you know in a case where you

577
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:05,440
you want to in a case where you want to

578
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:06,320
locate

579
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:08,799
or do a scan of an area you know

580
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,679
anything

581
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,919
within a few miles might be alerted to

582
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,200
your presence so we would

583
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:16,559
rather have a system that can kind of

584
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:19,200
get way up in the air kind of come in

585
00:20:22,549 --> 00:20:20,720
rather unannounced

586
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:22,559
do some scans and then leave before

587
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:24,000
being detected and even if it is

588
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,440
detected

589
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,120
it may not be registered as a threat

590
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,440
because it's so small

591
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,960
so these kinds of things are

592
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,000
uh very important to us now um

593
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,559
i i told you off the air earlier that

594
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,760
we're working

595
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,919
with a a guy that a lot of people out

596
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,520
there know his name is doug trumbull

597
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,440
doug is an academy award-winning special

598
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,919
effects uh legend and a producer and

599
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,120
i've been working with doug for about

600
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:50,799
five years now i think it's going on

601
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:51,919
it's been so long

602
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:54,799
it's amazing how long that it's been uh

603
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:55,200
time

604
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,520
flies and we're actually developing

605
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,200
uh with doug in fact it was doug's

606
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:03,200
original idea a system that will

607
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:04,080
actually do

608
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,520
autonomous detection of anomalies now

609
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,360
we you know everyone's heard of skywatch

610
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:11,039
systems and there are skywatch systems

611
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:11,520
out there

612
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:15,360
they're great but the problem we have

613
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,120
is what i see throughout the ufo world

614
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:21,679
which is replete with photos that are

615
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,640
that singular

616
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,200
fuzzy photo but then the witness says

617
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,960
but it was darting across the sky and

618
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:28,640
then it did this and then it winked at

619
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,360
me i mean

620
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,960
but then you just see this blurry little

621
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,559
dash of light in the sky

622
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,039
so the data doesn't match the the

623
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,880
witness

624
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:39,919
you know testimony so what we want to do

625
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:43,200
is to your question use multiple

626
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,720
instruments

627
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,880
in a sky watch system that will actually

628
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,360
be able to monitor the sky in a variety

629
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:50,880
of wavelengths including

630
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,640
infrared ultraviolet and some other

631
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,360
radiation emission elements in the

632
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,720
spectrum

633
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,559
you know we want to look for certain

634
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:02,400
types of

635
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,919
particle interactions known to

636
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:08,159
expel particle accelerator physicists

637
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,520
because those

638
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,159
indicate something to us um somewhat of

639
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,000
a smoking gun if advanced propulsion

640
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:15,840
technologies are being used

641
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,440
um so you know

642
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:22,640
eventually when when string theory and m

643
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:23,200
theory

644
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,200
you know can can be made understandable

645
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,440
uh to people i think it'll become

646
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:31,440
clearer that

647
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:33,760
we're on a sort of a precipice here we

648
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,960
have to step off

649
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,840
with a leap of faith and say look our

650
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,840
our standard physics model that we

651
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,559
currently

652
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:42,559
hold dear which which andy was talking

653
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,760
about earlier right

654
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:45,520
um when he was talking about dark matter

655
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:47,679
we tried to pigeonhole into our standard

656
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,240
model what

657
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,960
dark matter is but that's it's hard

658
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,200
because a lot of things don't work

659
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,120
they don't work right within the

660
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,240
standard theory

661
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,360
but if we work forward here from this

662
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,400
point forward we're actually on a

663
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,840
precipice where we have to take a leap

664
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:03,280
of faith and say is string theory

665
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,000
correct

666
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,799
if it is then we're going to have to use

667
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:07,679
different types of

668
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,360
of of setups to look for

669
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,520
beings that might be using advanced

670
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,520
systems in order to get here

671
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,280
because you know i do this marvelous

672
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,880
funny toilet paper roll analogy

673
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,640
uh when i do talks around the country

674
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,799
and it's the entire history of the earth

675
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:32,799
on a giant roll of toilet paper

676
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,159
and you know the very beginning sheet is

677
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,039
4.6 billion years ago and then at the

678
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,000
very other end of the sheet 117

679
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:44,480
plus feet later is us you know on that

680
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:45,360
last sheet

681
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:48,559
in a line

682
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,760
that's only 0.01 millimeter in thickness

683
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,240
and that's from ancient sumer all the

684
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:55,840
way to present day

685
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,120
so just all of the extent of human

686
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:02,480
history is consolidated only in a tiny

687
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,440
little

688
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,440
line that's thinner than any implement

689
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:07,279
on earth can draw

690
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,080
on the finest paper so that said

691
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,320
we already see on our horizons we see

692
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,080
techniques to get to the nearest stars

693
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,440
in a few days

694
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,600
we can't do it now we need lots of

695
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,640
energy to do this

696
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:23,360
but we see that that possibility yes

697
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,480
there's questions we don't know what to

698
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:26,000
do how do you make a warp bubble we

699
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,640
don't know

700
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:29,279
but we do know that theoretically it's

701
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,080
possible

702
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,200
that's new because it's never been

703
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,000
theoretical before and some of it hinges

704
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,520
on string theory

705
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:40,080
um and then beyond that horizon there's

706
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,440
one more horizon which

707
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,840
shows a possibility for us to actually

708
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,080
leave our dimensional space

709
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,440
sounds like we're going down the science

710
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,279
fiction road here but you know what

711
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,240
it's not so much science fiction anymore

712
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,440
right if we can

713
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,360
show the validity of string theory and

714
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:56,799
some of the other

715
00:25:00,789 --> 00:25:00,159
uh ways in which we can supplement or

716
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:00,799
replace

717
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,960
the standard model that we use now so

718
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,799
in those farther horizons we might be

719
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,400
able to navigate different points in the

720
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:09,440
universe

721
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,559
you know in minutes and

722
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,120
you know this is this is something that

723
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:16,240
is really

724
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,279
groundbreaking but it in our tiny little

725
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,760
thin line of existence in that entire

726
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:23,520
toilet paper roll

727
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,840
in a uh universe that's been in

728
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,640
existence a little bit

729
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,760
less than three times that there's

730
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:33,039
certainly

731
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,640
other civilizations that probably came

732
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,200
along say one inch before us

733
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,039
on that last sheet which corresponds to

734
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,720
several million years

735
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,240
and they would have already seen those

736
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,120
horizons we see now in our 0.01

737
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,279
millimeter of thickness of existence

738
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,720
and gone past them so the likelihood

739
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,520
that

740
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,760
another species another set of beings

741
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:55,360
could have found us is actually quite

742
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,400
high

743
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,360
considering that we see planets that are

744
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,120
forming now and we see planets that have

745
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,880
survived the death of their star

746
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,279
so planetary formation has been ongoing

747
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,880
from just

748
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,320
slightly after the beginning of the

749
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,240
universe until now

750
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,960
you know i'm listening to another

751
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:14,159
astronomer

752
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,880
speak he mentioned something i thought

753
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:18,320
kind of goes along with this when you're

754
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:19,360
talking about

755
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:22,320
such a tiny little spot of time that

756
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,600
we've been here

757
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,000
you know by the time the sun starts

758
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,360
swelling up and

759
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,679
you know near the end of its um

760
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:30,720
existence

761
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,559
yeah um we'll the beings that will be on

762
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,640
earth will be as close to

763
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:39,360
us as we were to uh bacteria in other

764
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,080
words

765
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:42,400
will be so different whoever is on this

766
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,120
earth

767
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,799
and you know almost six billion years

768
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,400
from now will

769
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,840
most likely not be us well

770
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:52,000
yes the way we if you look at history

771
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,960
really

772
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,360
you know the extinctions and you know

773
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,120
what is it 99

774
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,159
of everything has gone extinct yeah

775
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,240
yeah there there's been actually in our

776
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:04,240
on our history on earth we've actually

777
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,880
had

778
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:07,120
a number of incredible extinctions which

779
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,320
are really

780
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,720
uh you know most people don't even know

781
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,000
about because they don't really

782
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,039
think about it too much but you know

783
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,320
everybody knows the the uh kt boundary

784
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,760
extinction you know the

785
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,799
cretaceous uh paley gene you know 65

786
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,960
million years ago when dinosaurs died

787
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:27,679
everybody knows that all right what they

788
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:28,640
don't know

789
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,080
is all the other uh mass extinctions

790
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,480
that occurred on this planet you know

791
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,679
there have been um well finally

792
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,279
five or six of them actually you know

793
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,720
and if you look at you know

794
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,279
way back when uh you know we had

795
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,799
extinctions from

796
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:47,440
uh you know the the uh in the ordovician

797
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:48,000
era which

798
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,159
was best known for you know uh

799
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,159
trilobites and those things okay

800
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,520
you know there was a mass extinction

801
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,000
there uh you know 60 percent of all

802
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,520
marine life died then

803
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,000
amazing you know and then um you know

804
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,440
moving forward there was there was

805
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,080
a number of other you know uh

806
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,520
extinctions you know for instance

807
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,080
you know the tivonian extinction uh the

808
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:10,080
permian triassic border i mean we're

809
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,200
going back to obviously the

810
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,240
to the the eras that are uh you know

811
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:17,279
gosh uh half a billion years ago you

812
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,000
know

813
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,240
and then so it just goes on and on you

814
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,600
know the you know we had the permian

815
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,600
extinction triassic you know which

816
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,279
and of course the cretaceous extinction

817
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799
that we just talked about that's the one

818
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,279
that people seem to

819
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,919
but earth understand been periodically

820
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,200
hit

821
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:36,399
uh by large objects from out in space

822
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:36,880
and

823
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,320
they have wiped out huge amounts of life

824
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:41,760
on this planet you know

825
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:44,399
and i i say one of the things i write

826
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:44,799
about

827
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,840
had the dinosaurs not become extinct

828
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,760
what would have happened would they have

829
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,760
developed more cranial capacity would

830
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,200
they have developed the ability well

831
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:59,840
there's actually a theory that talks

832
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,399
about

833
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,600
certain raptors that

834
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,600
might have actually developed a larger

835
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,279
cranial capacity because it looked like

836
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,080
when they were extincted

837
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,240
that they were actually growing larger

838
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:13,840
brains at the time

839
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,279
so perhaps that was a non-dead end

840
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,120
in their in the path that could have

841
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,440
gone to a more intelligent species

842
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,760
so you know you would have said you know

843
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,960
today you would have said well welcome

844
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,000
you're our guest mark

845
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,520
to the show you know so mark how are

846
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,279
those scales and how the yellow eyes ah

847
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,120
doing great doing great you know i mean

848
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,039
we would have had a different type of

849
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:34,799
conversation for sure so

850
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,600
what you say is will life would life be

851
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,360
the same elsewhere probably not

852
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,200
and would we even look the same a

853
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:42,480
million years from now

854
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,720
certainly not you know i mean just from

855
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,399
the 1700s

856
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:49,440
we've grown in height if you've ever

857
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,240
been on a

858
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,640
sailing ship you know by base of the

859
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,240
size of the bunks and the

860
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,919
ceilings you can tell that you would

861
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,320
have been a very tall man back then

862
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,679
that's right yeah um let's see there's a

863
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,760
someone wanted you to elaborate a little

864
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,039
bit on

865
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,440
and i do want to apologize again to our

866
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,799
live listeners um

867
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,240
just keep in mind you can always listen

868
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,240
to the podcast it's it's uh

869
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,559
very clear on this end there is some

870
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,840
audio issues so

871
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,399
i do apologize if you wanted to uh still

872
00:30:21,549 --> 00:30:19,919
wanted to jump in

873
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,559
to the chat room you can at

874
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,279
podcastufo.com

875
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,760
and um it's people are saying it's

876
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,120
working fine now but we'll

877
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,960
we'll see so um one of the questions is

878
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,760
how does some string theory play into

879
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:34,480
all this

880
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,279
as far as you're concerned well when we

881
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,799
look into string theory there's

882
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:41,520
there's things that within string theory

883
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:42,000
and

884
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,840
i say this in in the best possible

885
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,880
generic explanation because otherwise it

886
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:49,840
quickly gets

887
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,760
rather obtuse you know but

888
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,279
because string theory is anything but

889
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,200
intuitive but if you look

890
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,519
further into the concepts behind string

891
00:31:01,590 --> 00:31:00,720
three one of the things that we would be

892
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:01,600
looking for

893
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:05,760
is a way to exploit other dimensionality

894
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,480
to space

895
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,519
now if you think about it here on earth

896
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,039
and in our universe

897
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,679
we know what light is we can generate it

898
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,279
we can reflect it

899
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:18,720
we can work with it we know that

900
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,919
it you it is both a wave nature and

901
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,080
particle nature

902
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,360
we understand electricity we understand

903
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:28,559
magnetism

904
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,840
we can generate magnetic fields we can

905
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,679
modify magnetic fields

906
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:36,000
we can generate electricity we can

907
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:37,840
modify electricity

908
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,880
but what's the one force that we use

909
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,840
every day that

910
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,919
our life depends on that the sun is

911
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,600
stable because of

912
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,360
that we don't know anything about other

913
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:49,919
than how to calculate its value

914
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:53,760
that's gravity so now

915
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,120
one of the things that we can use string

916
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,039
theory for and other

917
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,880
corollaries to string theory and again

918
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,399
this is very generic

919
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:05,279
is we would have a better understanding

920
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:06,720
of what gravity is

921
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:10,399
because if you look at how the universe

922
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:10,880
was

923
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,000
created the theory of the big bang where

924
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,600
the primordial super atom exploded

925
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,200
outward right well

926
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,840
if you had a balloon that was inflating

927
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,399
then

928
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,760
every point on the surface of that

929
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,679
balloon would be pulling at every other

930
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,360
point on the surface of the balloon

931
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,600
it wants to collapse by its nature

932
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,720
correct

933
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,399
well in the same way gravity is an

934
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:32,240
attractive force so every point in the

935
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:34,000
universe is pulling on every other point

936
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,120
in the universe

937
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,679
albeit small over distance i mean

938
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,320
gravity

939
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,240
you know falls off you know quite

940
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,600
rapidly right so

941
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,640
if you look at how that works with an

942
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:45,840
expanding universe

943
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:48,880
we would expect to see that the universe

944
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,000
with it was either slowing down

945
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,440
contracting or just

946
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,799
holding a steady state those are those

947
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,880
three theories from way way way way back

948
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,600
right however one of the most perplexing

949
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,880
things that was found was that the

950
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:04,399
universe is actually accelerating

951
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:05,519
outward

952
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,399
this means that something is attracting

953
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,600
the mass

954
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,360
from outside the boundary of our

955
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,039
expanding universe

956
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,600
and pulling it outward at a faster rate

957
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:21,200
now when i say accelerating i don't mean

958
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,600
it's just

959
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:23,279
moving fast outward it's actually going

960
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:26,399
faster and faster outward

961
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,840
now you see that's where

962
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,159
that's where we scratch our heads when

963
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,080
we try to put this into an understanding

964
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,799
with our standard model of astrophysics

965
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:39,200
and we can't quite do it so we have to

966
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,240
look at other

967
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,640
sometimes more exotic ways to explain it

968
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,919
dark matter

969
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,080
uh is matter that we only see

970
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:47,840
interacting

971
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,519
indirectly because it's go ahead say it

972
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,960
dark okay but um

973
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,559
the other thing that's important is dark

974
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:58,240
energy and dark energy

975
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:01,120
seems to be uh one of the culprits

976
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,000
that's

977
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,760
making our universe expand at an

978
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,240
accelerating rate so

979
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,760
dark energy is certainly one of those

980
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,919
places we have to understand it's

981
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:11,040
certainly a concept we have to

982
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,839
understand

983
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,919
so that we can start to harness uh

984
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,480
potential you know gravitic drives

985
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,919
if we are going to do that in the future

986
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:19,760
now how are we going to do that we don't

987
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,079
know

988
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,720
yet because the physics hasn't been

989
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,599
written yet

990
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,520
that can really understand and be

991
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,200
accepted by a

992
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,790
how the universe works we don't know how

993
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,240
that all comes together

994
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:37,359
yet so propulsive concepts

995
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,560
um in 1994 miguel alcubierre came up

996
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,960
with something called the alcabery drive

997
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:45,359
now colloquially we call it the warp

998
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,879
drive right and everyone thinks star

999
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:48,480
trek it's just sci-fi

1000
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,679
well actually it's not gene roddenberry

1001
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,879
although a writer

1002
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:55,839
he was an avid reader and the concept of

1003
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:56,320
warp

1004
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,640
type systems didn't really

1005
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,680
exist in in a in a fully developed

1006
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:04,640
manner back then

1007
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,640
but there were hints that down the line

1008
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,640
we might be able to alter the fabric of

1009
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:09,440
space

1010
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,920
and that's a that's a term right there

1011
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,720
that

1012
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,200
you know people really they they'll say

1013
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:16,720
it but they don't really know what that

1014
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,599
means

1015
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:20,720
you know the fabric of space

1016
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,839
uh the time space continuum sounds like

1017
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,680
a tv show but that's actually

1018
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,599
a physics concept an astronomical

1019
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,280
astrophysical concept

1020
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,240
because the universe is not just an

1021
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:33,680
empty

1022
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,480
going on there's forces at play there's

1023
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,800
global forces micro forces

1024
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,480
that are all at play and they're all

1025
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:44,240
working together and one of the things

1026
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:44,640
that

1027
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,599
and and

1028
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,480
that's something that we called you know

1029
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,320
gut you know grand unified theory

1030
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,079
in the early days but it's really come

1031
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:00,960
to mean something much more

1032
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,839
because what happens is when you look at

1033
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,040
the universe now

1034
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,599
and as we understand it we actually see

1035
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:08,880
that

1036
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,599
we know far less than we thought we did

1037
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,480
um

1038
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:15,760
you know and as we try to learn

1039
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:22,069
a gravitic drive a drive that uses

1040
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,720
gravity

1041
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,000
to operate we don't have that physics

1042
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,680
in place yet and so we need to find

1043
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,960
ways to expand that

1044
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,760
avenue for us now we don't we oh sorry i

1045
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,200
turned this down

1046
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:39,520
i don't know if you heard that noise no

1047
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,400
no

1048
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,800
okay good and i just sounded like a fool

1049
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:48,710
so in any case

1050
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,640
when we look at dark energy for instance

1051
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,640
that is a place we need to go and when

1052
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,680
we explore

1053
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,480
uh string theory and other uh

1054
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,920
corollaries we're gonna

1055
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,920
to these theories we're gonna actually

1056
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,000
have a better handle on these things

1057
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:07,040
the trouble is there's a lot of argument

1058
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,000
and that's why i

1059
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,599
kind of sound a little tentative right

1060
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,440
now because i don't want to say

1061
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
something that's going to

1062
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
be expressed as a fact tomorrow when it

1063
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,400
really isn't yet a fact

1064
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:19,040
but there's an awful lot of these

1065
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,760
theories

1066
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:22,160
that still need to be proved now michio

1067
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:23,440
kaiku he's

1068
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:27,040
he's he is a a physicist in new york

1069
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,520
who's

1070
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,680
really uh well an astrophysicist and he

1071
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,800
actually

1072
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,960
feels that string theory is very very

1073
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,000
important

1074
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,920
um and i i have to agree with that

1075
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,599
because i think you know

1076
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,440
and he doesn't need my agreement but i

1077
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,119
do think that he has to

1078
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,240
um you know also prove why he thinks

1079
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,760
it's important and he tries

1080
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,240
but the problem is that the everyday

1081
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,400
person has to understand string theory

1082
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,960
because that way they understand why for

1083
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,440
instance

1084
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:58,079
money might be allocated to research you

1085
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:58,640
know they don't

1086
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,320
they don't want to research you know

1087
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:02,160
what what is that i mean

1088
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,440
this just sounds like some silly

1089
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,079
intellectual pursuit shouldn't we be

1090
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,359
feeding the hungry

1091
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,320
well yeah but then again if you could

1092
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:11,520
find out a way to

1093
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:14,079
create an anti-gravity device then guess

1094
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,800
what

1095
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,320
plane flights are going to cost an awful

1096
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,240
lot less and aid flights

1097
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,440
will will be so much cheaper to fly and

1098
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,599
the concept of needing money to get

1099
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,520
some place on earth is going to go right

1100
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,359
down the drain you're not going to need

1101
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,440
to worry about that anymore so

1102
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:31,599
these pursuits do have a humanitarian

1103
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,720
end you know and

1104
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,720
and you know um i don't know if you're

1105
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:35,920
familiar with uh

1106
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,960
yeah in terms of again advancing our our

1107
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,040
our our physics so to speak into the

1108
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,960
world of string theory and beyond

1109
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:46,240
but um nikolai kardashev came up with

1110
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:46,960
the

1111
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,599
uh type one type two and type three

1112
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,359
definitions for different societies you

1113
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,960
know a type one society

1114
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,480
you're familiar with this i think some

1115
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:56,480
of your listeners your listeners are

1116
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,280
probably very

1117
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,920
familiar with it well the type 1 society

1118
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,680
we're about 300 years from that

1119
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,040
and that that's uh that can leave earth

1120
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:07,760
well a type 1 society knows how to use

1121
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:08,480
and

1122
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:12,640
create energy from non

1123
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,599
um well non-depleting sources for

1124
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,200
instance the sun

1125
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:19,920
wave action the wind action of the earth

1126
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,480
um

1127
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,079
the actual dynamo in the core of the

1128
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,320
earth itself um

1129
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,119
gravitational interaction among you know

1130
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,040
the earth and moon

1131
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,760
so there's ways okay and of course

1132
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,320
that's a type 1 society now

1133
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,880
type 2 would take that a step farther

1134
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,920
and a type 2

1135
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,560
would then be able to harness not just

1136
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,640
all the resources say that the earth had

1137
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,160
but it would use energy in a much

1138
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,480
grander scale and it would use

1139
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:48,320
i i know right the thing you're saying

1140
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,599
now that's true

1141
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:52,240
um just uh i'm sorry i didn't mean to no

1142
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,280
that's fine

1143
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,720
one of the things i was just thinking of

1144
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,320
though can you imagine

1145
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,320
how much of a fight it would be if there

1146
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:00,640
was a technology breakthrough

1147
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,240
that would change the paradigm of say

1148
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:06,800
dependency on oil and things like that i

1149
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,280
mean

1150
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,400
you know think of who would kill for

1151
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,680
to stop something like that yeah

1152
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,280
you're absolutely right that that that

1153
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,359
is something we face as a species

1154
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,800
um however there are also a tremendous

1155
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,480
number of benefits to being able to go

1156
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,079
into that arena because

1157
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,880
if power companies uh were able to

1158
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:28,720
utilize an anti-gravity

1159
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:31,839
technology or uh be able to harness

1160
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,880
energy from the sun a thousand times

1161
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,839
just even just

1162
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,359
a thousand times more efficient than

1163
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,160
they do now efficiently

1164
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,480
then there are plenty of opportunities

1165
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,240
and new technologies that can be spun

1166
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,040
out of that

1167
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,880
the people that use those technologies

1168
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:49,119
will become the future trillionaires you

1169
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,400
know if they want to look at it from a

1170
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,920
business perspective

1171
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:54,160
and but there's a lot of things we have

1172
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,599
that are weak right now

1173
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,800
we have an above ground energy grid

1174
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,599
and it's subject to weather it's subject

1175
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,160
to solar storms it's subject to

1176
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,800
accidental destruction it's subject to

1177
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,400
all kinds of things and

1178
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,920
you know that energy is not free

1179
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,839
um and i'm not going to go down a path

1180
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:15,599
of free energy because in physics there

1181
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,400
really isn't a

1182
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,720
free energy and i know there's a lot of

1183
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,960
devices out there that purport that but

1184
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,960
all the ones that i've actually analyzed

1185
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,480
because i have gotten my fair share

1186
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,000
of those as parts of cases uh have been

1187
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,400
you know uh not the real thing i'm not

1188
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,839
saying it isn't out there but

1189
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:35,200
um i think we need to be within uh the

1190
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,000
next

1191
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,839
level of physical understanding before

1192
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:39,760
we'll actually be able to see that but

1193
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,079
anyway you're right a lot of people are

1194
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:44,400
going to fight for this technology

1195
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,079
except if the energy is created by

1196
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,480
a global consortium and then made

1197
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,000
available to everybody

1198
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:54,000
who's to fight for it you know it's

1199
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:55,040
available to everybody

1200
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,040
you know and i know that that's

1201
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:58,640
simplifying a huge

1202
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,720
uh hornet's nest of politics and

1203
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,800
that's one of the problems though of

1204
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:05,839
growing as a

1205
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,000
as a planet

1206
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,160
that's why when a lot of people talk

1207
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,200
about well

1208
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,800
maybe we'll be able to leave the earth

1209
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:16,400
if we could ever stop fighting amongst

1210
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,960
ourselves

1211
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,920
yeah well that's also true but i think

1212
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,720
that war

1213
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,599
and and those kinds of squabbles what

1214
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,720
are they over

1215
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,880
i mean there are religious undertones to

1216
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,400
a lot of it but you know what

1217
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:31,200
a lot of the wars are over energy and

1218
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:31,839
who owns

1219
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,319
an ultra superior

1220
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,560
solar panel was out there not with an

1221
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,240
efficiency of like 42

1222
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,280
which some can even do now but

1223
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,839
95 and of course you say well how can

1224
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,040
that possibly be

1225
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,079
well there are ways because

1226
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,560
as we progress we will improve on all of

1227
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,560
the technology that we tend to

1228
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,760
create here on earth and as a type one

1229
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,800
society we will

1230
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,599
use geothermal we'll use sun we'll use

1231
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,800
wave energy

1232
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:07,119
and so forth i developed um gulfstream

1233
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,920
windmills

1234
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,480
that would were that would be so big

1235
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,319
that they would actually

1236
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,599
um not even uh hurt a whale if it was

1237
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,560
going through it

1238
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,599
because they're basically giant fabric

1239
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,760
veins on the windmill that would flex

1240
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,280
with a creature and then retain their

1241
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,480
shape once they got spinning again so

1242
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,119
and those could generate a huge amount

1243
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,200
of torque and a huge amount of

1244
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,720
uh energy i mean little things like that

1245
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:36,800
so bottom line is that there's a lot of

1246
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,440
energy energy sources here on earth

1247
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,640
the most important thing though is that

1248
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,440
you have to understand that every single

1249
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,800
energy generation

1250
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,280
technique that we use except for nuclear

1251
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,359
fission which is dangerous as all

1252
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,800
get out is done by

1253
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,160
burning dead things and that

1254
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,400
is something that is gonna end we're

1255
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,440
gonna run out of

1256
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:05,040
dead things to burn so a lot of free

1257
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,560
energy like i said

1258
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:09,359
wave action you know what waves go up

1259
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,000
and down

1260
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
all day long i don't know a couple of

1261
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,480
little bobbers out there that could

1262
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,480
you know harness the energy and then

1263
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,560
just put half a million of them

1264
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,720
uh along the fringe of a of a

1265
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,319
uninhabited harbor

1266
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:24,319
um and you know you're getting free

1267
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,440
energy 24

1268
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,480
7. you know the sun is the generator of

1269
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,920
all energy as they say

1270
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,680
with the wind and you name it and

1271
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,599
everything but also

1272
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,640
if there's a lot of energy stored

1273
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:39,760
in dead things compared to the energy

1274
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,800
you can grab

1275
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,960
that's live from you know the sun itself

1276
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,920
which is

1277
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,599
uh but you're right you know eventually

1278
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,040
we'll we'll get these things

1279
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,359
perfected more but you said something

1280
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,880
very important though

1281
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,480
there's a lot of energy stored in dead

1282
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,240
things right

1283
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,319
right now we're trying to acquire energy

1284
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,760
from the sun

1285
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,720
on earth through a large atmosphere

1286
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,680
that's fickle

1287
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,000
fickle at best where much of that energy

1288
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,319
is reflected back off into space

1289
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,800
so what we need to do is have energy

1290
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:10,079
generating facilities

1291
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,520
in space and sci-fi as that sounds

1292
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,040
it's on the books it's something that

1293
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:16,560
will happen and the reason

1294
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:19,920
is because we know of the inefficiencies

1295
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,800
on earth put the same solar panel up in

1296
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,440
space

1297
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,160
and you get more efficiency because you

1298
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,920
have more direct sunlight without

1299
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,520
anything in between

1300
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:31,119
so it'll be running at maximum

1301
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,880
efficiency all the time

1302
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,079
close to maximum efficiency so

1303
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,240
if you take the type 1 society is one

1304
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,040
that takes a lot of energy from its sun

1305
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:44,000
has no longer been burning dead things

1306
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:44,319
on

1307
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:52,160
that are renewable then we're looking at

1308
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,119
something important

1309
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,960
fusion i don't know if you're familiar

1310
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:56,160
maybe you are

1311
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,280
fusion research right now commands more

1312
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,160
research dollars than every other

1313
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,560
alternative energy combined

1314
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,640
and that's because they believe fusion

1315
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,000
is a coming reality

1316
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,119
a sustainable reaction will happen

1317
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,240
and you know what if fusion goes amok

1318
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:17,680
uh the reaction shuts off you know

1319
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,040
it's like you know okay pour out that

1320
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,880
glass of water yeah okay because you

1321
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:22,560
make water and you make uh

1322
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,240
you know you need tritium okay which is

1323
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,000
made in a breeder reactor before going

1324
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:29,520
through the fusion process

1325
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,319
but this tritium is interesting because

1326
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:33,760
you could

1327
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,040
you um

1328
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:38,640
most of the tritium that's in your body

1329
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,000
right now was inhaled

1330
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,560
but it's not cumulative it also leaves

1331
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,680
your body

1332
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,119
so and it can't get through your skin

1333
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,680
so you could rub it on your skin and be

1334
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,560
perfectly safe

1335
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:55,280
until you sniffed your arm you know

1336
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,160
where you put it in

1337
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,000
and then you have some that you ingest

1338
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:00,400
but so so tritium is a relatively low

1339
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,880
level

1340
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,280
radioactive contaminant that is required

1341
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:04,480
as a fuel

1342
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,400
in the process and it's easy to make

1343
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,240
and it's something that is easy to

1344
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:11,760
control and like i said

1345
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,880
a fusion reactor uh when the energy is

1346
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,560
disrupted or if

1347
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:19,119
electricity goes out the reaction shuts

1348
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,920
off

1349
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,000
unlike a fission reactor where we know

1350
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:23,839
that we look at fukushima we know the

1351
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,800
outcome

1352
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,960
um you know a tsunami a tsunami would

1353
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,400
shut down the plant for a while

1354
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,280
if it was fusion in a fission reactor it

1355
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,119
causes a potential meltdown

1356
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:36,240
and dead zones so fission is not really

1357
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:37,359
the best

1358
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,599
generating energy but we're getting

1359
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:43,040
there we're getting it when the fission

1360
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,160
reactor goes online

1361
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,200
world's gonna change

1362
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,839
so the that type of energy when it

1363
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,440
becomes available you see

1364
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,760
it's a global research project like

1365
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,119
we're talking before

1366
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,359
fusion isn't going to be dominated by

1367
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,319
any one company

1368
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,559
because too many other people are

1369
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,680
already working on it

1370
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,280
and they're all going to have

1371
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,079
competitive edges and competitive offers

1372
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,160
so yes it will be a big business for who

1373
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,599
you get your energy from

1374
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,960
but then the time is going to come when

1375
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,480
someone's going to generate a small

1376
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:13,440
scale

1377
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,680
energy generation system of some kind

1378
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,640
for your home

1379
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,559
for your personal use like walking

1380
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,559
around with a pack of double a batteries

1381
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,000
in your back pocket

1382
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,400
you will have some other type of energy

1383
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,200
system that will

1384
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,440
run everything in your house and you

1385
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:29,200
know that way the grid

1386
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,040
can be dismantled the grid can go away

1387
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,079
i think the people and you know in the

1388
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,359
corporate world are just going to kill

1389
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,280
everyone

1390
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:41,599
well you know there is that distinct

1391
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,280
possibility

1392
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,040
now i want to get uh i want to get a

1393
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,119
little bit more back on topic because we

1394
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,119
have you know about eight minutes left

1395
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:51,839
so um and you know as i said in the

1396
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,400
beginning we're

1397
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,800
going to talk about you know ufo videos

1398
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,000
and and

1399
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,720
photos you analyze but one of the things

1400
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,720
i would like and i really do appreciate

1401
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,079
you talking about all this and i can

1402
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,680
talk to you for hours

1403
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,599
and we have questions coming up on the

1404
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:06,880
message board

1405
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,480
that have to do with energy and stuff

1406
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,720
like that but i would like to move on

1407
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,960
um sorry everyone listening to that's on

1408
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,079
the message board

1409
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,920
yeah i apologize i sidetracked you there

1410
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,599
but no no no i think it

1411
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,680
started what started with you know

1412
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,280
talking about the automated ufo

1413
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,640
detection systems that are going to use

1414
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,839
multiple wavelengths

1415
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,480
and then you know you you needed me to

1416
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,520
talk about

1417
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,000
string theory and you opened that one up

1418
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,839
i know i did

1419
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,160
i take full blame that's okay it's a

1420
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:35,760
good blame to have

1421
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:38,720
now i wanted to talk about i when i

1422
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,280
googled

1423
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,720
i was trying to look for a picture to

1424
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,119
put on on our show of you

1425
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:46,319
and when i googled your name up came the

1426
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,319
dome ufo in in jerusalem i wanted to

1427
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,839
talk to you about that because

1428
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,599
that is probably one of the most

1429
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,520
controversial and if real

1430
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,839
it was the most amazing you know ufo

1431
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:58,640
sighting

1432
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,119
i you know i didn't get a chance to read

1433
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,040
the outcome of your investigation of

1434
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:04,640
that but can you talk about it

1435
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:08,079
sure when i uh first received that video

1436
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,559
um you know i i looked at it with the

1437
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,000
same excitement that i first looked

1438
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:14,160
at the norway spiral that occurred and

1439
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,280
you can look that one up

1440
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,079
down the line but the jerusalem dome of

1441
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:20,160
the rock ufo was really interesting to

1442
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,040
me because

1443
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,960
here we had what looked like multiple

1444
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:25,200
witnesses videotaping

1445
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:29,119
a ufo over old jerusalem

1446
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:32,480
over the dome of the rock now first of

1447
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,880
all

1448
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,480
i don't believe that extraterrestrials

1449
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:37,280
would recognize the significance of our

1450
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,079
monuments

1451
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,280
i do not here's what i found

1452
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,040
there were several videos taken by

1453
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,640
purported witnesses and

1454
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,599
one of the videos showed the ufo another

1455
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,200
one was sort of a zoomed in version of

1456
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,960
that same ufo

1457
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,400
all right then there were some others

1458
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:54,160
that were clearly fake you know computer

1459
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:54,800
generated

1460
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,599
that were kind of thrown into the batch

1461
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,559
by people that

1462
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,720
just didn't know you know the chronology

1463
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,839
of the case and stuff and

1464
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,200
so i ended up of course having a look at

1465
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,280
those as well and i've been misquoted

1466
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,800
all over the internet as saying that you

1467
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:07,440
know

1468
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,160
uh that that cg ufo proves without a

1469
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,400
doubt that you know uh the jerusalem ufo

1470
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:13,599
was fake and that's not at all what i

1471
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,240
said

1472
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,720
what i was really saying the most

1473
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,559
important aspect was

1474
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,040
when you looked at the actual witness

1475
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,480
footage taken with their

1476
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:25,839
phones okay and their cameras

1477
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:28,640
they were two different things they

1478
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,040
showed

1479
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,119
two different sets of details when you

1480
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,200
looked at the details and that's

1481
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,680
as we all know where the devil hit where

1482
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,200
the devil lives right the devil is in

1483
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,640
those details and

1484
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,760
when i looked at the first one this

1485
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,280
light came down

1486
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,839
and then it shot up into the sky it

1487
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,880
didn't go straight up

1488
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,359
incidentally it went at a slight curve

1489
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,520
as seen from the first perspective

1490
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,520
from the second perspective it looked

1491
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:55,119
like it went um

1492
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,559
you know straight up out of frame but

1493
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,680
you couldn't tell it's trajectory

1494
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,680
because it was zoomed in more

1495
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,960
and then there was the flash of the

1496
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,280
ground

1497
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,319
now um based on the time of the night

1498
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,760
there were still plenty of young people

1499
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,079
out and about even down there

1500
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,400
where it was all taking place but

1501
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,680
curiously

1502
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,359
now one other report showed up other

1503
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,960
than what those those

1504
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,240
couple of witnesses uh showed

1505
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,599
now in the second video i actually saw

1506
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,359
ufo spinning

1507
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,920
all right and as it was spinning the

1508
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,680
light was changing

1509
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,440
uh looking at us as you could see the

1510
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,920
light changing like it was a

1511
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,839
maybe a disc shaped thing it wasn't a

1512
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,040
round thing

1513
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,280
uh in the previous video it looked very

1514
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,440
different it wasn't doing any of that

1515
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,960
yet it was supposed to be happening at

1516
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,880
the same time so i

1517
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,680
i felt like that was just not corrupt

1518
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,760
those those data were not corroborating

1519
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:50,960
each other

1520
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,200
all right again i'm really hard on the

1521
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,119
data but i'm not a debunker i've had

1522
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,640
experiences of my own

1523
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:58,160
which i cannot explain and which i

1524
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:59,440
attribute to a potential

1525
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,240
extraterrestrial

1526
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,440
influence i have you know not

1527
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,240
i saw one on a u.s nuclear submarine in

1528
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:08,240
the mid 90s i saw an unknown submerged

1529
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,359
object and

1530
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,559
before another time you know but um

1531
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,160
i was told in no short order i went

1532
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:15,440
right up to the joint chiefs of staff

1533
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:16,319
and sat with them

1534
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:19,839
and and um uh talked to them about it

1535
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,400
and and

1536
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,079
got the same answer that they can't tell

1537
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,240
me anything about the uh fast mover

1538
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,520
program

1539
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,359
so and that's like i said another thing

1540
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:28,880
for another time but

1541
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:32,319
um so when that jerusalem ufo showed up

1542
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,200
i looked at that

1543
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:36,000
and i felt that the the main videos that

1544
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,440
purported to show it

1545
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:39,280
were just too different from each other

1546
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:40,480
for an event that was occurring at the

1547
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,280
same time

1548
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,160
and then there was a flash of down below

1549
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,440
no one reported that

1550
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:48,000
now in this age of social media you know

1551
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,640
facebook

1552
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,880
myspace okay and all these other places

1553
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,640
even youtube commentary

1554
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,800
all right you would expect someone would

1555
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:56,880
have said yeah i saw it too

1556
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,280
oh yeah i saw it too and here's my video

1557
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,880
okay when i saw this thing hovering over

1558
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,480
there i took a video too

1559
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:05,520
not any of it and then later on so i

1560
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,160
pronounced

1561
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,000
as i believed at the time i said you

1562
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,440
know what as much as we'd like to

1563
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:10,800
believe it and you know unless i'm not

1564
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:12,319
seeing something i have to call this a

1565
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,200
hoax

1566
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,880
it looks to me like a computer generated

1567
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,400
hoax because i do

1568
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,880
all the things in my company that i own

1569
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,880
i do all those kinds of

1570
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,800
um you know computer graphics things

1571
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,240
that i'm seeing here

1572
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:26,559
and i can generate this hoax i can

1573
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,839
create this too

1574
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,920
so you know it doesn't mean it's a hoax

1575
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,119
for sure but

1576
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,800
i'm saying that it's well within

1577
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,880
capability and it's real easy

1578
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,559
in this particular case because you get

1579
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,000
it's night it's a point of light

1580
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,400
you know it's very easy to create that

1581
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,440
it's much harder to create something

1582
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,799
during the day flying through city

1583
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:44,079
streets for instance

1584
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,359
well in any case

1585
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,119
later on it was like i don't know a few

1586
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,440
weeks later an israeli reporter

1587
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,559
got a hold of the story and

1588
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:57,359
he started looking into it um and he

1589
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,160
discovered

1590
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:01,359
that the two or three main witnesses to

1591
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:02,319
the event

1592
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,400
were all part of the same film class

1593
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:09,359
yes yes i remember that hey mark we only

1594
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,839
have

1595
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,160
um about a minute and a half here i'm

1596
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,559
going to ask you a question here now

1597
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,319
would you mind hanging out with me after

1598
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:18,160
the live show and we'll talk a little

1599
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,799
bit more

1600
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:21,760
so we'll put this on the podcast for

1601
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,160
sure

1602
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,839
you know we'll record on the podcast for

1603
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,920
the listener can you tell is there any

1604
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,680
place that someone can actually find you

1605
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,520
on the internet or you actually don't

1606
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:31,599
have a website up or anything like that

1607
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,880
well actually my my my business is a

1608
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:36,720
special effects and model making

1609
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:40,000
business and it's called fx models as in

1610
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,960
foxtrot x-ray models m-o-d-e-l-s

1611
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,720
dot com and i don't have anything about

1612
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,359
ufos up there right now

1613
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:51,280
because that's just my day-to-day

1614
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,400
business website

1615
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,599
um but you know as i as i mentioned you

1616
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:57,280
know we are working on these ufo

1617
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:58,880
detection systems and we're going to be

1618
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,000
coming out with

1619
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:02,480
a much more information about those soon

1620
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,200
we were just so

1621
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,960
i'm sorry i'll cut you short but no so

1622
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,480
that's it for our live show

1623
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:08,559
and we're coming right back for the

1624
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,630
so this is uh our extended version our

1625
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,079
first extended version

1626
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,359
past the live show and uh so mark i'm

1627
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,880
sorry i had to cut you short and

1628
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:25,200
we can keep talking so basically what

1629
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,240
was the outcome

1630
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,359
of the do you think it because the

1631
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:30,720
students got together they

1632
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,240
did this as a hoax i think that the

1633
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,559
the way the investigative reporter in

1634
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,520
israel

1635
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,280
phrased it it was sort of a production

1636
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:40,799
project that was supposed to be part of

1637
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,760
a viral ad campaign

1638
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,240
so they were using their their

1639
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:48,240
techniques they learned in their classes

1640
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,000
to create a generated host but

1641
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,280
that all said again

1642
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,839
you know my mind is not closed uh if

1643
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,040
there's other data that

1644
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,599
has not been seen or even if you know

1645
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:02,480
there are other

1646
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,200
agencies or groups out there that

1647
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,799
put out a lot of this information of

1648
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,559
some kind and said well hey

1649
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,480
you know let's just say it was a hoax so

1650
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,400
that they don't find out the truth

1651
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,559
well see i don't i try not to fall

1652
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,559
victim to that i just look at the data

1653
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,680
data is not opinionated the data simply

1654
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,040
stands on its own and when i looked at

1655
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,520
the jerusalem ufo

1656
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:28,559
data the different video

1657
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,599
imagery they looked different to me it

1658
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,440
didn't look like it was the same

1659
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,000
object there were more details in one

1660
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,599
than in the other one than the other you

1661
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:38,880
should have seen them too

1662
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:41,680
so i don't you know i i just don't get

1663
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,400
it and then

1664
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,359
the flash and the lack of any social

1665
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,559
media uproar

1666
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,720
the dome of the rock one of history's

1667
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,359
most important locations has this ufo

1668
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:53,440
over it and this giant flash illuminates

1669
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:54,799
old jerusalem

1670
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,720
and no one but two people see it

1671
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,440
sorry you know right there just that you

1672
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,799
don't need to be a photo and video

1673
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,079
analyst to know

1674
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,960
that something's wrong with that picture

1675
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:07,520
well i

1676
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,720
i think you know they they really picked

1677
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:11,760
out

1678
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,280
too big of a monumental you know uh

1679
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,720
monument to uh to do this from like you

1680
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,160
say there's always

1681
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,480
thousands of people around that thing at

1682
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,760
all times if there are

1683
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,200
all night long i was going to say all

1684
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,799
night long 24 hours

1685
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,880
now there are curfews in israel there's

1686
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,720
okay there are curfews you know and so

1687
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:32,000
but and that was something i was working

1688
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,280
with into was to understand you know

1689
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,960
okay what was the curfew

1690
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,520
okay because they were out and it wasn't

1691
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:39,359
illegal for them to be

1692
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:43,200
uh within um missile range

1693
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,960
you know shoulder-mounted missile range

1694
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,319
of the dome of the rock

1695
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:48,400
so clearly other people had to have been

1696
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:49,359
able to now

1697
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,359
and be closer so

1698
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:56,160
they would have seen it plus up on that

1699
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,960
ridge

1700
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,400
you didn't just hear the two of them

1701
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,400
talking or the three of them talking

1702
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,480
you heard all kinds of people talking

1703
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,160
going ah

1704
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,160
and not one further report from any of

1705
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,000
those other ancillary people

1706
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,000
so you see these are the these are the

1707
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,160
factoids that you have to consider you

1708
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:14,480
cannot let it sit you've gotta

1709
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,400
you've got to let you you to consider

1710
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:21,599
that information you know i talked to

1711
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,640
dr bruce mcabee about you know

1712
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,240
situations of you know analyzing photos

1713
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,280
and videos and

1714
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,839
the first thing he said is you know that

1715
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:33,599
it's all secondary the first thing is

1716
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,359
the witnesses

1717
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,960
you know do you basically agree with

1718
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,520
that well i mean

1719
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,440
bruce and i are friends he's a great guy

1720
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,359
and what i do is

1721
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:45,599
when i actually do an analysis i do not

1722
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,359
look at the witness report

1723
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,079
until i do my analysis because i don't

1724
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,799
want to be influenced by what i'm seeing

1725
00:59:55,910 --> 00:59:55,119
um you know what i've read i'll tell you

1726
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,920
why i just did

1727
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:58,559
i did four cases tonight just tonight

1728
01:00:04,630 --> 00:59:59,200
really

1729
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,670
i was dead set on you know not

1730
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,119
wanting to know anything about the

1731
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:11,280
sighting and what it was was it was a it

1732
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,079
was a bright

1733
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,240
little tiny bit of light and you know in

1734
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,640
a shot taken looking directly at the sun

1735
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,680
which i always say to people don't

1736
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,920
do that and then submit planet x to me

1737
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,000
okay i'm not going to go down that path

1738
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:27,359
you can't see a planet next to the sun

1739
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,200
in full bright light of day and take a

1740
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,200
picture of it with your cell phone

1741
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,960
you can do that with a telescope when

1742
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,040
you isolate the field of the sky and you

1743
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,799
see a tiny little dot of venus you can

1744
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,720
actually see venus during the day

1745
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,400
all right if you know where to look and

1746
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:42,240
i can even see it with my eyes when i

1747
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,760
know if i know where to look

1748
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,599
and you got to stare at it for a while

1749
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:47,200
and let all the floaters in your eye get

1750
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,160
out of the way

1751
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,280
i'm not kidding all right but it is a

1752
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:52,880
rite of passage to find venus during the

1753
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,440
day

1754
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,280
but try taking a picture of that with

1755
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:57,280
your cell phone you're just not gonna

1756
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,760
get it

1757
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,920
all right so what most people see is

1758
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:02,160
these large

1759
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,960
light you know lens flares and specular

1760
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,400
reflections

1761
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,720
off of dust on the lens cover and more

1762
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,000
likely the filter that's over

1763
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,440
the lens and so uh you know

1764
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,640
those types of things are not ufos

1765
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,640
you know but one of the things that we

1766
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,920
have to look at is that the witness

1767
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,079
testimony sometimes

1768
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,119
relays something extraordinary but the

1769
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,119
data doesn't support it

1770
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:29,760
so i can't say like like the cases

1771
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,400
tonight

1772
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,960
i said well the witness says that this

1773
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:34,400
thing came out

1774
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,359
it shot around at extremely high speed

1775
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,880
was flying around at this

1776
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,720
unbelievable speed he went back and

1777
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,079
forth

1778
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,640
you know toward the sun and back but he

1779
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:46,319
submitted a photo looking right at the

1780
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,799
sun

1781
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,040
showing a gigantic lens flare but in

1782
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:51,200
addition

1783
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,440
he saw or he he also recorded this

1784
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,599
little tiny white dot

1785
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,119
uh that was in there and it wasn't even

1786
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,119
a dot it was sort of a smudge

1787
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,240
way way off in the distance you know and

1788
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,079
um i was asked to corroborate what the

1789
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,240
witness was saying and i couldn't

1790
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:07,760
i said well he can't the data certainly

1791
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,839
doesn't support this this rapidly flying

1792
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,480
thing

1793
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,039
however if he was looking at the sun

1794
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,640
with his camera because it was a

1795
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,400
samsung phone that he used to take the

1796
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,079
picture and he was moving it around

1797
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,640
guess what that lens flare and any other

1798
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,240
object that's a result of the sun is

1799
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,559
going to dance all over the sky

1800
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,200
you know in you know apparently in that

1801
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:29,200
on that camera screen and it was a big

1802
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,400
tablet sized screen so i'm sure that

1803
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:33,920
you know there was plenty to see and it

1804
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:35,839
was a really good camera you know

1805
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,280
on this phone so you know the data

1806
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,680
doesn't corroborate what he saw

1807
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,839
yeah you know you know so or claims to

1808
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,599
have seen so i couldn't call it what he

1809
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,359
said i couldn't say it was what he said

1810
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,119
but i could say that this looks similar

1811
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:51,119
to a specular reflection of dust on a

1812
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:51,760
lens

1813
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,000
this we know from physics

1814
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,920
so i'm sorry your data doesn't

1815
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,440
corroborate you may have seen something

1816
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,960
really cool

1817
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,359
but i can't verify it with this one

1818
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,480
picture right

1819
01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,640
now earlier we had on our message board

1820
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:08,319
someone wanted to ask you

1821
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:12,319
what you thought about rods oh rods yeah

1822
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,839
um i have um i have analyzed rod footage

1823
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,480
quite a bit

1824
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,839
and and one of the things that i thought

1825
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,760
was really interesting about them

1826
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:22,240
is that they look like these strange

1827
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,200
creatures that are

1828
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:25,280
traveling along with these little

1829
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,960
gossamer spirally wings

1830
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,599
but you can go out and find them

1831
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:33,119
yourself you can create them

1832
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,559
right away all you have to do is find

1833
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:39,119
uh insects flying through the video

1834
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:40,079
frame

1835
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:45,280
where the sunlight is you can actually

1836
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:46,400
generate that little

1837
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,079
sine wave look in your images in fact i

1838
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:51,839
i reference that quite a bit when i'm

1839
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:54,640
looking at some images i can

1840
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:58,559
deduce by how many peaks of that curve

1841
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:01,280
are are visible in an exposure of a

1842
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:03,440
certain amount of time say it was a

1843
01:04:10,829 --> 01:04:07,119
30th of a second right and you see

1844
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,839
uh four peaks in that curve

1845
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:13,359
right that's four peaks in the 30th of a

1846
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:14,400
second

1847
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:17,599
right so that means you're gonna get

1848
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,039
roughly uh 12 peaks per second

1849
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,079
times 60 seconds okay

1850
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,960
gives you you know over 600 and change

1851
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,760
wing beats

1852
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,480
per minute and now based on the wing

1853
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,319
beats per minute that this this

1854
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,799
photo captured you can go look at the

1855
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,079
location they're at and

1856
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:39,119
actually come up with a reasonable guess

1857
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:40,000
as to what that

1858
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:42,160
actually was and what insect it was

1859
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,200
because some of them

1860
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,359
have extraordinary wing beat frequencies

1861
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:47,119
and some you know some are high some are

1862
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:48,480
extremely low

1863
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,160
um are you talking like the denver

1864
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:54,960
video yeah like like in the denver video

1865
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:56,240
where you actually see

1866
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,200
i think that's the one right where you

1867
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,599
actually see objects flying through

1868
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,640
yeah in when i uh analyzed that one up

1869
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,240
close and i took still frames you can

1870
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,599
actually see

1871
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:08,160
uh the body if it's the same one we're

1872
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:09,359
talking about it was the body of an

1873
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:10,400
insect

1874
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:13,200
that was elongated slightly because the

1875
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,760
footage

1876
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,640
wasn't taken at 120 frames per second or

1877
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,400
60 frames per second it was like at 30

1878
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,839
frames per second

1879
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,680
so effectively each still frame is a

1880
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:23,520
30th of a second photograph that's why

1881
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:24,640
they're always fuzzy

1882
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:27,839
right right at 120 frames per second you

1883
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,319
have

1884
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:30,640
a photo that's real very sharp

1885
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:31,359
relatively

1886
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:33,039
and at a 60th of a second that's pretty

1887
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,799
much the minimum for getting a sharp

1888
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,480
still frame as long as the camera's not

1889
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:38,720
moving a whole lot

1890
01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:40,799
now in the film work i do we've actually

1891
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:42,280
done frame rates of

1892
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,359
1600 frames per second

1893
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,599
it was one burger king commercial that i

1894
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,640
worked on with

1895
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,760
doug and we actually you know had this

1896
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:53,280
this this special camera called the

1897
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,400
phantom which was

1898
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:58,240
taking images of a 2500 rpm giant oreo

1899
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,039
cookie

1900
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,359
spinning around and it was spewing out

1901
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,799
liquid nitrogen because that's

1902
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,039
i created this thing you know to to make

1903
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,480
us this and we put up if you have too

1904
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,319
much time in your hands

1905
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,319
oh no this was a great job i loved it

1906
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,760
you know and that's the kind of thing

1907
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,280
this is why i love working with doug

1908
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,039
trumbull because he's he's just

1909
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:17,280
it's so cool we do organic effects so

1910
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,799
this spinning cookie and there's a point

1911
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,480
to this the spinning cookie

1912
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,559
you literally saw this brown blur now it

1913
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,160
was 10 inches in diameter by the way it

1914
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:26,000
was an oversized oreo so a lot of people

1915
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,920
really wanted an oreo cake

1916
01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:29,680
you know when we were done but there's

1917
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:31,520
none to be found so

1918
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:34,000
this spinning cookie had liquid nitrogen

1919
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:35,520
coming out of the edges

1920
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,799
and the entire take all right was done

1921
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,160
in a second and a half

1922
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:42,319
so i would run the liquid nitrogen down

1923
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:43,200
through the rig

1924
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:46,480
the cookie would spin up 2500 frames per

1925
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,760
2500 rpm it was a brown blur with a

1926
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,200
white center

1927
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,200
okay and all this liquid nitrogen coming

1928
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,559
out of the white center

1929
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:56,799
and so you had all the steam and a fan

1930
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,720
blowing it back like a comet

1931
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,280
and the whole exposure the whole shot

1932
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,559
was

1933
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:05,680
right

1934
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,880
it was a 1600 frame per second take so

1935
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,240
when you play it back at normal frame

1936
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,559
rate you've got this beautiful slow

1937
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:17,119
graceful massive cookie coursing through

1938
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:17,920
space

1939
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:21,039
spewing cometary debris and and

1940
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,960
and and uh clouds of dust and steam

1941
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,880
blowing back behind it it looked

1942
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,240
gorgeous all right

1943
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:31,520
so you see this is why

1944
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,640
you know i can see the world in

1945
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,559
different ways because i look at the

1946
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:36,640
world this way i see the world at fast

1947
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,000
and slow rates

1948
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:40,880
right so when i see an insect on film i

1949
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:41,440
see

1950
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:43,440
a sine wave of a wing beat pattern that

1951
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,880
was caught based on the length of the

1952
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:45,839
exposure

1953
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:49,039
see and that's where this all comes from

1954
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:50,400
this is stuff i've been doing since i

1955
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:51,520
was a kid

1956
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:55,039
you know again you you heard me and i'm

1957
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:55,839
not lying

1958
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,480
1971 i joined at age 11 and it was then

1959
01:08:00,710 --> 01:08:00,240
when i started looking into the science

1960
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,720
of

1961
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:03,039
what makes those things tick that people

1962
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,920
see out there

1963
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:06,400
and of course that meant i had to

1964
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,760
explore the natural world

1965
01:08:12,069 --> 01:08:09,680
like you know like crazy in order to

1966
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,079
understand the laws the natural laws

1967
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,000
physical laws the laws throughout

1968
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:15,839
science i went to school for science i

1969
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,640
was a

1970
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,640
science geek and a nerd throughout

1971
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,239
college other people are playing

1972
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:21,759
football i'm in the basement of the

1973
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:24,560
science library studying physics

1974
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:27,759
what the heck is wrong with me well

1975
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,080
uh you've led an interesting life i'm

1976
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:31,440
sure because of that

1977
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,400
um one of the questions that came up on

1978
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:35,759
the message board

1979
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,600
was what was your most interesting

1980
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,239
analysis and i'm going to add to that

1981
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:44,000
have you ever seen anything that you are

1982
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:45,759
totally convinced

1983
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:49,199
is possibly extraterrestrial or just

1984
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,640
plain unexplainable

1985
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,799
yeah absolutely but it wasn't the ufo it

1986
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:54,400
was actually a uh

1987
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,759
a close encounter um really yeah

1988
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,759
and and this is why you know what people

1989
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,120
like to call me a debunker but they got

1990
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,799
to understand

1991
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:04,640
these people they don't have a clue i am

1992
01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:07,359
not a debunker i actually

1993
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:10,239
not only believe okay i show i do talks

1994
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,440
around the country explaining the

1995
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,719
science of why they

1996
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:15,199
certainly can be here i don't walk

1997
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,400
around and saying they're not here i

1998
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:18,080
walk around saying i think they are and

1999
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:18,880
here's why

2000
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:21,520
so that's really the the way that i work

2001
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,080
um

2002
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,799
but i am hard on data and and one of the

2003
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,159
things that happened to me that

2004
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,799
uh two things um the first was seeing

2005
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,799
the fast move around the nuclear sub

2006
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:32,560
now it was in the middle of the 90s i

2007
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,159
was a guest

2008
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,080
because uh to this day i still do a lot

2009
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,759
of work for the navy and i end up

2010
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,279
sometimes they'll say hey do you want to

2011
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,279
go check out an aircraft carrier or hey

2012
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,799
how about a ride on a submarine you know

2013
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,799
i know that sounds kind of flippant but

2014
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,560
believe me they're very sparing and they

2015
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,719
are you know they're only after doing

2016
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:49,759
something that's you know

2017
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,560
really above and beyond so i try to do

2018
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,159
that from time to time

2019
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,480
um so i did go on board us sub it was

2020
01:10:02,709 --> 01:09:59,280
the most fun i had getting seasick

2021
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,719
no don't lie and uh you know i uh

2022
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,800
while hanging on the sky periscope half

2023
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:06,560
the time just so i can just see

2024
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:09,840
a horizon there's no windows no windows

2025
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:11,120
in these things you know

2026
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:14,320
um i then went into the sonar shack

2027
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,600
they called the sonar shack it's a

2028
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,360
little alleyway along the control room

2029
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,719
and the submarine and

2030
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,320
that's where all the you know the the

2031
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,760
sonar guys sit and they look at the

2032
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,280
screens and they look like the you know

2033
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,640
in the matrix remember the green letters

2034
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,239
going down the screen

2035
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,800
yeah okay well now take those and

2036
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,320
dissolve them from being letters into

2037
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:31,920
static

2038
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,000
and that's what a sonar display on a

2039
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,840
submarine looks like you know on a los

2040
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:37,600
angeles class sub that i was on at the

2041
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,400
time

2042
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:41,360
well um but within that data you

2043
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,080
actually see

2044
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,840
hard lines and other types of

2045
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,080
information and curving lines that

2046
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,679
change over time

2047
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,400
the refresh rate is much slower you know

2048
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:52,239
can be much slower than you see in the

2049
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,440
matrix that kind of thing

2050
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,040
but that's exactly you know what it

2051
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:57,199
looks like okay now

2052
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,480
take this and imagine when a

2053
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:02,400
sonar guy looks at that screen he knows

2054
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:04,000
exactly what he's looking at most of the

2055
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,800
time

2056
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,199
they can they have biologics which are

2057
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,360
whales and schools of fish

2058
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,920
um you know some animals in the sea make

2059
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:14,239
popping noises no show up the submarine

2060
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:15,199
listens

2061
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,159
um you know to find out where it's going

2062
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:20,000
it listens to the surroundings to know

2063
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,120
where it's going

2064
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:23,120
you know it can't see ahead you know

2065
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:24,320
what i mean it has to listen

2066
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,239
listen ahead so um so accurate charts

2067
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,080
and sonar or how a submarine

2068
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,679
you know moves around in the ocean um

2069
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,520
for the most part so

2070
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,120
imagine now i'm sitting there watching

2071
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,480
the sonar display the reason i'm in

2072
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,239
there is because it's a it's a seat

2073
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,400
it's out of the way the mainstream you

2074
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:41,760
know you got a hundred and

2075
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:44,400
you know 30 guys on board a sub or more

2076
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,040
and

2077
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,719
you know walking down a hallway is a you

2078
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:48,719
know con especially the height of

2079
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:52,880
a of a shift is crazy because

2080
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:55,679
it's in the hallways you know uh 30

2081
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,719
inches wide

2082
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,960
and to get by someone especially the six

2083
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,800
foot submariner i don't know why he

2084
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,000
would get on a submarine

2085
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,400
at six feet tall but you have to turn

2086
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,159
your body sideways to let them squeeze

2087
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,679
by and then you keep going

2088
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:10,000
and so the quiet was what i was looking

2089
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:11,760
for for some of the time when i was on

2090
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,400
board

2091
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:14,159
so i would sit in the sonar shack it's

2092
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:15,760
dark and all you see is this green

2093
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,320
screen

2094
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,800
going down green green green and so i

2095
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,239
was like ah this is nice

2096
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:22,000
and i had learned how to read sonar a

2097
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:23,199
little bit before i went on board

2098
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:24,320
because i was really interested in the

2099
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,520
technology

2100
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,120
um and i actually had a simulator that

2101
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:28,960
showed me how to read

2102
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:31,199
los angeles class submarine sonar so i

2103
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,239
was looking in

2104
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,320
and by getting into something it took my

2105
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,000
mind off the fact that i was feeling

2106
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,880
i was gonna get sick you know um so i'm

2107
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:40,960
sitting there and all of a sudden

2108
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:42,239
amidst all the other lines that are

2109
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,360
showing up on there which is like a

2110
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,120
distance ship that's a tanker

2111
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,800
that one has you know that one's a

2112
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,000
single screw four-bladed propeller and

2113
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,840
this tanker that's you know 12 miles

2114
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,800
away i mean

2115
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:54,640
that's the kind of resolution you know

2116
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:56,800
they can get in beyond that

2117
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:00,159
um nowadays well anyway

2118
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,520
as i'm sitting there all of a sudden on

2119
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,679
the screen you see this this line

2120
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:06,080
up here yeah and just go through the

2121
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:07,440
field

2122
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,480
um and it was moving you know i

2123
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,280
i can't i can't discuss the actual shape

2124
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,199
and and so forth because that

2125
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,280
you know gives away some of the sonar

2126
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,080
stuff so but i can tell you this

2127
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,560
we saw something on this owner that

2128
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:24,960
executed a path that was not like

2129
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,000
anything um known

2130
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,080
and the first thing that the sonar i

2131
01:13:35,189 --> 01:13:32,480
call the kid the sonar kid

2132
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,199
did okay was he corroborated with

2133
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:36,960
another sonar

2134
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,400
all right that wasn't working with

2135
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,480
this sonar with a separate system just

2136
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,080
for that purpose in other words if

2137
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:46,000
there's a torpedo coming at you you

2138
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:47,280
really want to make sure you're not

2139
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,600
going to fire um unless you can

2140
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,440
corroborate that the sonar is not acting

2141
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,040
up or doing something

2142
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:55,040
so anyway and that's sort of a

2143
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,560
simplification because

2144
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:58,239
sonar systems are really really good and

2145
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,760
you don't need a whole lot of double

2146
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,880
coverage but

2147
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,199
that all said um in this particular case

2148
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,880
he looked at a second one and confirmed

2149
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,239
it was there too

2150
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,000
different shape different look but it

2151
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,400
was there so he immediately calls

2152
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,280
the xo the executive officer he says

2153
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,520
sonar fast mover

2154
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,360
oh like oh my god i'm in a science

2155
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:18,800
fiction movie holy crap

2156
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,360
i mean no no lie i suddenly just if i

2157
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,679
was sick i had forgotten all about it

2158
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,600
the executive officer i could hear him

2159
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:27,360
coming and he comes right around into

2160
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,800
this little sonar alley

2161
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,880
followed by a couple other people and he

2162
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,320
looks at the screen what do you got

2163
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,280
and he shows them okay and as the other

2164
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,719
guys came in they kind of crowded around

2165
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,760
the screen and kind of

2166
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:40,400
i backed away because it's not my boat

2167
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,880
right

2168
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,400
and i let them do their thing but i

2169
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,000
overheard very clearly

2170
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,719
and very precisely i heard the uh the

2171
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:47,840
kids say

2172
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:49,360
that it was moving at several hundred

2173
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,520
knots wow

2174
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,600
and he said and the and and then the

2175
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,880
kids then

2176
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,040
they actually looked at it did some

2177
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,800
fiddling and and checked out

2178
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,520
different ranges and stuff on the screen

2179
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,199
were you talking about water or

2180
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,520
below water no this was below water

2181
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,960
that's what i thought you meant

2182
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,000
yeah goodness and so he you know

2183
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,520
the kid at the sonar said disposition

2184
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,440
and he looked at the exo and the xo just

2185
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,880
looked at him for a second and

2186
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,679
and again i try to be very precise when

2187
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,280
i retell this because

2188
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,640
you know how what happens over time

2189
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,360
people kind of add and embellish

2190
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,440
i'm telling you all that i know and only

2191
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,400
what i know i don't

2192
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,920
there's nothing to add okay so i'm just

2193
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:31,520
telling you exactly what it was the xo

2194
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:33,760
just looked at the kid and he said

2195
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,040
log it and dog it wow now

2196
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,679
um what was uh that i guess you'd call

2197
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,800
it a uso

2198
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:43,199
what was the uh range how far away was

2199
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:44,320
it from your

2200
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:47,199
your sub actually don't know but i don't

2201
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:48,880
know that actually in

2202
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,080
if i did i probably um i probably forgot

2203
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:55,040
over time and so i don't know because i

2204
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:56,159
couldn't remember what the range was

2205
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:57,120
because what happened was

2206
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,560
when when it first happened he was

2207
01:16:01,510 --> 01:16:00,159
flicking back and forth and you can

2208
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,520
flick back and forth all these different

2209
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:03,600
range settings anyway

2210
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,679
um and i couldn't really tell you know

2211
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:07,199
most people think of a radar screen when

2212
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,719
they think of sonar that's not what this

2213
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,040
is it's it's a square screen you know

2214
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:13,120
and stuff moves from top to bottom

2215
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,800
you know if you look up los angeles

2216
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:16,800
class submarine sonar online

2217
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,800
you'll actually find you know some

2218
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,400
really good examples

2219
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,159
uh just don't go to the hollywood movies

2220
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,760
they they turn them into you know air

2221
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,719
traffic controller

2222
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:27,280
type screens it's ridiculous um that's

2223
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:28,480
not the reality

2224
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:32,800
um so that all said you know uh

2225
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:36,000
later on i walked up to the xo um

2226
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,600
still very excited i was actually kind

2227
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,040
of breathless when i saw this

2228
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,560
because i i couldn't use you know uh

2229
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,920
there was no one i could talk to you

2230
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:45,840
know and back then

2231
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,800
i think i had uh i don't even know if i

2232
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,800
had a cell phone back then

2233
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:53,120
holy cow in the mid 90s i must have had

2234
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:54,080
it must have been

2235
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:55,600
it was probably i think it was this

2236
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:57,199
older one where you know every minute

2237
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,920
was

2238
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,000
25 cents or 18 cents i forget what it

2239
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:02,080
was if it existed at all i don't even

2240
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:03,120
remember back then

2241
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,440
but i uh i went up to the executive

2242
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,960
officer and i said

2243
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:09,199
exo um i'm very familiar with fast

2244
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,320
movers you know can you

2245
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,159
tell me anything about this and he

2246
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:14,000
looked at me and he said

2247
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,920
mr antonio are you enjoying this your

2248
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:18,239
cruise i said absolutely sir

2249
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,840
and he put his hand on my shoulder and

2250
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,400
smiled he said let's keep it that way

2251
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,440
wow and i was like yes sir and i you

2252
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,880
know what i said yes sir

2253
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,320
so do you think this is a common

2254
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,480
occurrence well

2255
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:33,440
i didn't know and and and it's

2256
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,880
interesting it's almost as if i told you

2257
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:36,640
this before but i don't think i did

2258
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:39,679
um you know what happened was

2259
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:41,040
later on in the wardrobe when we're

2260
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:42,719
eating dinner because one of the things

2261
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:43,920
is you know when you're a guest you know

2262
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,640
they do

2263
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:46,080
nice things for you so it was our turn

2264
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:47,600
to sit in the wardroom with the captain

2265
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,080
and

2266
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,679
you know have dinner with them was nice

2267
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:51,440
and and you know this is why the

2268
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:52,719
submarine navy

2269
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:56,080
yeah there's no windows but you know

2270
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,800
what

2271
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,280
the food is the best in all the services

2272
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,880
and it's actually great

2273
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:03,440
it's always been true it really is you

2274
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,960
know and the cook can make or break a

2275
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,679
crew so they

2276
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:08,239
really really really train excessively

2277
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,360
you can't imagine

2278
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,840
so anyway um while sitting there i look

2279
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:13,520
at the xo and i get that little smile on

2280
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,159
my face

2281
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,800
okay like i want to ask him you know and

2282
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,640
i kind of scratched my nose and i

2283
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,880
looked down and i you know that little

2284
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:22,000
smirk like well

2285
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,080
you're gonna share something and he he's

2286
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,400
across the table diagonally okay the

2287
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:27,840
one side of the captain i can't remember

2288
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,440
where uh

2289
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:31,679
but uh there's an order of things i

2290
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,560
guess well

2291
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,199
anyway he looks at me and he goes he he

2292
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:36,640
just sort of points at me he says still

2293
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:37,920
having a good time

2294
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,960
and then yes sir and he smiles

2295
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,960
and he turns away so you know so he was

2296
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:44,560
just trying to remind me

2297
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,640
and and that never and it never came up

2298
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:47,679
again

2299
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:50,880
until about and that was the mid 90s

2300
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:53,679
it didn't come up again until about five

2301
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,000
years

2302
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:57,040
ago when i did a job for the joint

2303
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:57,679
chiefs

2304
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:01,199
down in dc and i became friends

2305
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:04,719
with one of them

2306
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,800
and i had done a project for him

2307
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,800
and i talked to him on the phone he said

2308
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:11,920
well you ever gonna you're gonna

2309
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:14,960
be down here this way i said yeah i i

2310
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,800
think i could in fact you know i'm

2311
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:18,880
i'm up for a drive i mean washington's

2312
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,520
only six hours away

2313
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,280
i literally do that in one day i do i

2314
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,880
drive down and back to washington dc in

2315
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,080
one day i i don't

2316
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,679
i have no problem with it because you

2317
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:29,360
know i'm just focused i do my thing and

2318
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,320
then come home

2319
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,840
and then i sit there scratching my head

2320
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:33,360
in my office saying did i did i really

2321
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,120
see the washington monument today

2322
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:38,800
you know you know well anyway um

2323
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:41,120
so i went down there and i drove down

2324
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,080
there with my

2325
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:44,000
nine-year-old son at the time he's now

2326
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:45,760
16 so it wasn't

2327
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:47,600
five years ago right it was seven years

2328
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,040
ago i guess

2329
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,400
um and uh while he was

2330
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:55,120
in the we went to the this this

2331
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,000
particular

2332
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:59,120
uh the home of this guy and it was just

2333
01:20:03,270 --> 01:19:59,840
me and him

2334
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:03,280
his wife and my son and while he was

2335
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,320
my wife no my wife his wife and my my

2336
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:08,000
son were actually in the kitchen making

2337
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:10,400
lemonade i leaned over and i said

2338
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,840
to uh to the chief i said um

2339
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:15,120
what can you tell me about the fast

2340
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,400
mover program

2341
01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:20,560
and he just sat back in his couch you

2342
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,719
know and we both had like lemonades or

2343
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,560
whatever it was we were drinking

2344
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,239
you know and there was this really

2345
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:28,400
uncomfortable silence for about 15

2346
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:29,280
seconds

2347
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,280
and he's kind of looking around and he

2348
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:32,960
kind of you know looks at me i can't

2349
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,920
remember exactly

2350
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,920
all the things that he did he had some

2351
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:37,520
gestures which led me to believe

2352
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,480
he knew something but then he said the

2353
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,840
one sentence

2354
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,239
he looked at me and he just sort of

2355
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,159
shrugged a little and he said

2356
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,800
uh i'm sorry mark i can't tell you

2357
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,120
anything about the program

2358
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,239
and it was that knowing smile look

2359
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:56,239
it's not not the oh i'm sorry i don't

2360
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,440
know anything about the program he

2361
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,960
didn't say that

2362
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,280
he said um i'm sorry i can't tell you

2363
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,320
anything about the program

2364
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:04,880
wow that's amazing and i and i said you

2365
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,520
know admiral

2366
01:21:08,709 --> 01:21:07,520
fair enough cheers and we kind of clink

2367
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:08,719
there you know i remember yeah yeah it

2368
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:09,840
was yeah it was iced tea

2369
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,280
i guess i don't remember you know it's a

2370
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,360
long time ago well anyway you know

2371
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:16,080
uh so that that's as much as i remember

2372
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,679
about that you know a lot more happened

2373
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,880
that day with him but i

2374
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:21,440
i can't remember well enough to really

2375
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,159
commit it and

2376
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,600
and say this is exactly what happened

2377
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:25,440
but nothing ufo related just just you

2378
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,639
know event wise

2379
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,400
being there but we spent the whole

2380
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,560
afternoon at his house and then

2381
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,880
when we left um he was kind enough to

2382
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:34,000
give my son one

2383
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:36,480
one of his battle coins uh which is a

2384
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:37,280
prize it's a

2385
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,199
really it's a prized possession and he

2386
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,719
actually gave him two which is really

2387
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,159
cool they hit it off like

2388
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:44,000
you can't believe like like grandfather

2389
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:45,679
and grandson you know

2390
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,760
at one point i was with his wife in the

2391
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:49,040
couch in the living room and he

2392
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,159
disappeared with with

2393
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,800
uh my son uh into another room to show

2394
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:54,320
him his train collection

2395
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:57,199
oh wow yeah yeah it was really funny it

2396
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:58,719
was great it was a really good day it

2397
01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,360
was a good

2398
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:02,239
good time you know but i did get you

2399
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:03,679
know i was all the way home all i could

2400
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:04,480
think about was

2401
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:08,000
wow i can't tell you anything about that

2402
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,120
i can't tell you that means he knows no

2403
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:13,440
he said and the way he looked and as by

2404
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,880
the time i got home i had almost

2405
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:16,960
forgotten the look on his face about how

2406
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:17,920
he

2407
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,960
that sentence because

2408
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,480
that said everything to me in that

2409
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,000
moment it said everything

2410
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:26,719
to me and now when i relay the story um

2411
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:27,360
i don't

2412
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,280
remember that visceral feeling i had

2413
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,800
when he said that i know that i was

2414
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:32,400
certainly excited but i can't remember

2415
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:32,880
that

2416
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,840
visceral feeling of knowing oh my gosh

2417
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,360
this is real

2418
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,199
you know i can't reproduce that in my

2419
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:41,120
gut and i'm really sorry about that

2420
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,639
you know because i want to i want to

2421
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,719
feel that again you know about what that

2422
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:46,320
felt like to know that this guy

2423
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,360
knew right right yeah we're just about

2424
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:51,280
out of time to make this uh an hour and

2425
01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,400
a half show

2426
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,280
and uh thanks for the listener to listen

2427
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,040
in for this extended version

2428
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:59,920
i wanted to ask you to basically wrap it

2429
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:00,400
up

2430
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,159
what would you say has been the latest

2431
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,199
most compelling either video or uh

2432
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:09,199
images that you've been involved in

2433
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:10,560
lately

2434
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:13,280
well i uh one of the things that uh you

2435
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,679
know i did do was i did a number of

2436
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:18,239
episodes of nasa's unexplained files

2437
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:21,280
and uh that's a that's a show which

2438
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,199
uh you know you like it or hate it you

2439
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,560
know it actually does

2440
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:25,920
produce something cool and one of the

2441
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:27,920
things we did was to use science

2442
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,679
to explain a lot of different things

2443
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,120
including

2444
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,960
how aliens could be here you know the

2445
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,040
real thing so i know you're not talking

2446
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,280
about a ufo thing and i do have a

2447
01:23:40,629 --> 01:23:38,800
i do have something i can say to that in

2448
01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:40,639
a minute but so

2449
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:42,560
uh we did that and then the other thing

2450
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:43,679
i did was

2451
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,639
um a television show on artificial

2452
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,239
structures on the moon

2453
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,639
and i i can't give away any data other

2454
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:52,400
than to tell you

2455
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,639
that some of the images stumped me

2456
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,320
and i don't believe they were

2457
01:24:01,750 --> 01:24:00,480
artificially created i believe

2458
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:01,760
not the structures i don't believe that

2459
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,600
the images were faked is what i'm

2460
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,960
getting at

2461
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,440
when i looked at these i was stunned so

2462
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,120
that's

2463
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,199
to me very interesting okay so i looked

2464
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:13,360
at that and i was like wow

2465
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,920
you know because that's that's that does

2466
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:17,840
strike a visceral core to me because

2467
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,199
to me if i were an alien

2468
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,239
race of being certainly a tiny tiny

2469
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,199
minority maybe just a handful coming to

2470
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,440
a planet with billions of inhabitants

2471
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,280
i would probably set up shop far enough

2472
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:33,360
away that i knew they couldn't get to me

2473
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:35,040
and then just kind of reach out and get

2474
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:36,639
to them because

2475
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,400
with some of the futuristic propulsion

2476
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:39,760
we might be able to get to mars in just

2477
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,639
a few minutes

2478
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:42,480
so going from the moon to the earth

2479
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,080
would you know

2480
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,880
take you know no time at all for people

2481
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:48,960
with that kind of advancement so

2482
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:51,440
i'd set up shop did these pardon me for

2483
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,639
interrupting did these yeah

2484
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:54,400
images come from the orbiter or where

2485
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:57,440
they come from well

2486
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,199
that'll be made clear in the show i i

2487
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:00,800
signed a document saying i can't talk

2488
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:01,520
about it

2489
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,719
but but gosh i really want to but

2490
01:25:07,830 --> 01:25:06,639
um oh i promise i'll edit it out if you

2491
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:07,840
tell oh no

2492
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,080
no no i'm just kidding yeah yeah i know

2493
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,280
no but but the thing is um even in

2494
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:17,280
person i i would respect the agreement

2495
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,080
right but

2496
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,120
um i'll tell you this um these

2497
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,159
objects were in uh data that was

2498
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:25,199
acquired

2499
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,960
during the apollo years and with modern

2500
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,440
orbiters that were circling the moon and

2501
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,360
the thing that got me

2502
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:35,600
was when i would look at an old apollo

2503
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:36,560
image and see

2504
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:39,360
something you know from lunar orbit and

2505
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:41,040
say okay well i want that same frame

2506
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,400
using you know

2507
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:44,639
you know lro or clementine or something

2508
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:48,080
like that and then see it again

2509
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:52,000
that that was what i found to be very

2510
01:25:55,910 --> 01:25:53,120
compelling so

2511
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,920
um right here at home our own moon for

2512
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,360
crying out loud there might be something

2513
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:59,679
going on there who knows i'm not a big

2514
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,040
you know lunar anomaly guy

2515
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,199
in fact i think most are you know they

2516
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,120
say tricks of light and shadow

2517
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,520
but one of the things that i did was i

2518
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,600
created a way to actually demonstrate

2519
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,560
live how those things actually occur by

2520
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,679
literally creating

2521
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,360
again i'm a special effects guy right

2522
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:17,760
with with you know with the film arena

2523
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:20,320
so i actually created a lunar surface

2524
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,120
that we could

2525
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:23,520
help with meteorites and other things to

2526
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,159
generate

2527
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:26,800
actual landforms dynamically right live

2528
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:27,840
on camera

2529
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,440
so um that that display

2530
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,719
that thing in fact i used to take this

2531
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:34,320
thing around i would actually take this

2532
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:35,280
around

2533
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,560
actually show people i've done this

2534
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,560
before

2535
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,560
and use different materials well anyway

2536
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,159
it's really neat but

2537
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:47,280
um you know we'll see how much gets into

2538
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,480
the show i know that

2539
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:50,400
again i can't say anything more about it

2540
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:51,840
i won't but

2541
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,199
i do know that uh there are uh

2542
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:57,120
one or two images that i was shown that

2543
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:58,320
i simply

2544
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:00,800
couldn't explain and that i found

2545
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,600
corroborative

2546
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,679
data for you know from what they

2547
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:05,840
provided so i was like wow

2548
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,080
now you know when that was gonna air i

2549
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,840
don't in fact i sent an email today

2550
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,600
to the producer asking you know what's

2551
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,120
going on because

2552
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,360
i want them to come back and and and you

2553
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,040
know film some more of the things they

2554
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:18,400
were talking about that we were talking

2555
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:19,440
about doing

2556
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,719
so really cool that is great

2557
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,639
hey well you know what it's been a real

2558
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:26,560
pleasure talking to you

2559
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,480
i feel like we haven't finished like we

2560
01:27:32,070 --> 01:27:30,400
can talk again sometime soon

2561
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,080
absolutely we can talk about in fact

2562
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,480
when you know we stayed specifically

2563
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,800
away from all the the background and

2564
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,840
details of the

2565
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:40,000
ufo detection systems i mean that's

2566
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,040
going to be a

2567
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:43,120
a multi-instrument skywatch system

2568
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,239
deployed

2569
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,400
all over the southwest in america and in

2570
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:48,719
the ocean i've got some set up for usos

2571
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,280
that i

2572
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,679
i designed one for uso hunting and you

2573
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,920
know one for ufo hunting on land

2574
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,760
and we have a science team from all over

2575
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,440
the country of people much smarter than

2576
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:58,960
me that are working with me to

2577
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,920
and doug to try early on and now we're

2578
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,280
actually making it smaller

2579
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:05,679
portable reproducible and we're going to

2580
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,800
have it

2581
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:09,360
talk to satellites to send us data and

2582
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:10,159
uh

2583
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,880
that part already works so we're making

2584
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:14,320
progress it's pretty cool

2585
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:16,080
well that's great so thank you so much

2586
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,920
mark of course martin thank you so much

2587
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:19,520
for having me i'll talk to you again i'm

2588
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:20,000
sure

2589
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,520
i want to thank everyone for helping out

2590
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,840
with the show today our guest of course

2591
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,440
mark d'antonio

2592
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,120
keith roland the producer for the dark

2593
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,040
matter radio network

2594
01:28:33,189 --> 01:28:30,880
andy fleming for the astronomy news

2595
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,199
carrie lloyd white house for our music

2596
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,120
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2597
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:37,360
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2598
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,520
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2599
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:41,360
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2600
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:42,960
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2601
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,280
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2602
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,800
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2603
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,520
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2604
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